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A Rose in Twelve Names
So over coffee and Proukies (Madeleines--aren't I clever?) this morning I was babbling about how there is a weird kind of trend among a certain kind of writer these days--often young, often female, (though not always) almost always small press, something that were we older, and male, and middle-press, might be called a movement. Fantasy writers who were over Tolkien by roughly second grade, and start instead in folklore and myth and from there layer in postmodern fantastic techniques: urban fantasy, confessional poetry, non-linear storytelling, linguistic calisthenics, worldbuilding, academic fantasy, etc.

I'd easily name Sonya Taaffe, Dora Goss, Holly Phillips, and myself in this group, and call us the spiritual children of Greer Gilman, and I might add in Yoon Ha Lee, Erzebet Yellow-Boy, Jeanelle Ferreira, and Vera Nazarian if they wouldn't be upset by inclusion. I'm forgetting people, I'm sure, but it's morning. But I think there's a reason you find a lot of us in the same anthologies and collections. I think we start in a different place than traditional fantasy, which is ironic considering that Tolkien himself started there, back in the primal stuff of the human psyche, as screwed-up and psychedelic and labyrinthine as it is--it's just that 20th century fantasy started from Tolkien, and saw him as the source himself, not as one branch on the tree. We tend to start in myth and branch out into incredibly varied stylistic and emotional takes on the source material, and though of course all of us produce original material not based in or relating at all to folklore, (I, for one, cracked up laughing to find that Goss's "Sleeping with Bears" is not actually about Goldilocks) it often feels like folklore, or fairy tales, or myths, or young wives' tales, even when it isn't, which is kind of an accomplishment in itself.

I was standing over the sink talking to [info]justbeast and [info]grailquestion--who sadly get to hear most of my writerly thoughts in rough form before the internet gets them, and pity the poor souls--and I said, "But what the crap would you call that, if you wanted to call it a movement? Ballet Folklorica? Infernofolk?"

And they went to work, and I stood there in my kimono getting ready to start work myself, holding a cup of coffee, and looking at the kitchen door, when I cracked up laughing and said to the empty room:

"Dude. It's Mythpunk*."

*Best part? I google this term to make sure I'm sufficiently clever, and find it's a semi-obscure gaming term. So on top of this we get to have "reclaim the vocabulary" leetness. Rawk.

Current Mood: contemplative

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strange_selkie From: [info]strange_selkie Date: March 28th, 2006 02:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'll buy that, sure. But it's kind of early for thinky response.
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 02:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
Come back later with thinky response. :)
yhlee From: [info]yhlee Date: March 28th, 2006 03:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Are you kidding? There is no way I would be upset by inclusion! (Mmm, Moonwise.)

I saw your Papaveria Press book, by the way--I am desperately envious of those who ordered copies. My budget is crunched, but I hope to see a copy in the flesh? someday. :-) And to hear you read more of your poetry!
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 03:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
Will you be at Wiscon this year? I know they'll be copies there, probably discounted, and I hope I'll have a reading...
yhlee From: [info]yhlee Date: March 28th, 2006 11:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
I will be presenting a paper there. :-) Incidentally, now that months and months have passed, I never managed to obtain a copy of yours from last year! And I hope I'll be able to make your reading. :-)
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
There's a copy available for download on the website under the "critical" section.

http://catherynnemvalente.com/critical/
xterminal From: [info]xterminal Date: March 28th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
You are a movement. I've been trying to nail down a name for it since Wendy Walker began to walk this literary planet.

"Dude. It's Mythpunk*."

The problem being that *punk is as dead for movement-naming in writing as *core is in music.

I will proselytize as necessary, however ('bout time to write my Apocrypha review; I should finish it this afternoon. And here's the two word preview: "um... DAMN.").
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 03:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yay!

I dunno, I still think -punk is at least funny. I heard "monkpunk" last year and just about burst vessles laughing.
s00j From: [info]s00j Date: March 28th, 2006 04:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

hee

i adore it. i might have to write some new songs to qualify, but it's the good sort of challenge. love me some Mythpunk. (and please, god, no 'alternative' spellings!! that's the other thing I'm sick of)
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 04:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: hee

I think you'd definitely qualify on the songwriter side of it. :)
erzebet From: [info]erzebet Date: March 28th, 2006 04:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I would never be upset at that inclusion. I am flattered by it! You punks are the best. :)
unquietsoul5 From: [info]unquietsoul5 Date: March 28th, 2006 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Mythpunk?

Well Punk is generally perceived as a dead term days, even cyberpunk has given way to other terms. There are exceptions and Mythpunk is one of them that's not dead.

Dev, one of the current movers and shakers of Mythpunk and holder of the 'For Great Justice' website that pops up when you google the word, is a HRSFA (Harvard Radcliff Science Fiction Association) Alumnus, and occasional gamer buddy of mine.

I'm not sure he'd be willing to give up the term easily. He's also one of the 'Indie Movement' gamers, who have a tendency to be heavy on story and myth inclusiveness (what is often called narrativist style), so it might be easier to see if there could be an inclusiveness between the writing movement and the gaming category and work together on things.




yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: March 28th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Mythpunk?

Dead schmead. When do things turn the corner and become undead and therefore usable again? not to mention part of the fun is the silliness of calling any of us "punk."

We'll see how big a deal I want to make out of the term before I talk to Dev.
locke61dv From: [info]locke61dv Date: June 1st, 2006 04:57 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Mythpunk?

See below. :-)

"Mythpunk" was little more than a name of a site, and I'm hardly a mover or shaker, but thanks for your kind words.
yuki_onna From: [info]yuki_onna Date: June 1st, 2006 06:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Mythpunk?

And hey, Dev, should you want to play in the same sandbox, I'm game.
norilana From: [info]norilana Date: March 28th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mythpunk? Greer Gilman? Holy minotaur, but I am flattered and blushing. :-)

I think Mythpunk is an apt term, and although other *.punk terms might be dormant or "out of style" does not meant this one has to be. Why? Because its crop of practictioners is so far from dead, but is instead vibrant and producing in the here and now and being creatively alive.
upstart_crow From: [info]upstart_crow Date: March 28th, 2006 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
There can never be too many 'punks on the block. But your first two choices were full of the stuff of lulz and ambrosia. I especially liked Infernofolk. It sounds like the next Lollapalooza or Woodstock. Except with 20% more Dante and katabasis.
From: pirras_pot Date: March 28th, 2006 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
young wives' tales? I *love* that. (It's probably something that's bandied around a lot, but I've barely begun to crawl back out from under my rock...)

And mythpunk, colour me funnied. :D