I'd easily name Sonya Taaffe, Dora Goss, Holly Phillips, and myself in this group, and call us the spiritual children of Greer Gilman, and I might add in Yoon Ha Lee, Erzebet Yellow-Boy, Jeanelle Ferreira, and Vera Nazarian if they wouldn't be upset by inclusion. I'm forgetting people, I'm sure, but it's morning. But I think there's a reason you find a lot of us in the same anthologies and collections. I think we start in a different place than traditional fantasy, which is ironic considering that Tolkien himself started there, back in the primal stuff of the human psyche, as screwed-up and psychedelic and labyrinthine as it is--it's just that 20th century fantasy started from Tolkien, and saw him as the source himself, not as one branch on the tree. We tend to start in myth and branch out into incredibly varied stylistic and emotional takes on the source material, and though of course all of us produce original material not based in or relating at all to folklore, (I, for one, cracked up laughing to find that Goss's "Sleeping with Bears" is not actually about Goldilocks) it often feels like folklore, or fairy tales, or myths, or young wives' tales, even when it isn't, which is kind of an accomplishment in itself.
I was standing over the sink talking to
And they went to work, and I stood there in my kimono getting ready to start work myself, holding a cup of coffee, and looking at the kitchen door, when I cracked up laughing and said to the empty room:
"Dude. It's Mythpunk*."
*Best part? I google this term to make sure I'm sufficiently clever, and find it's a semi-obscure gaming term. So on top of this we get to have "reclaim the vocabulary" leetness. Rawk.
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2006-03-28 02:06 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 02:06 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 03:03 pm (UTC)
I saw your Papaveria Press book, by the way--I am desperately envious of those who ordered copies. My budget is crunched, but I hope to see a copy in the flesh? someday. :-) And to hear you read more of your poetry!
2006-03-28 03:04 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 11:18 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 11:57 pm (UTC)
http://catherynnemvalente.com/critical/
2006-03-28 03:45 pm (UTC)
"Dude. It's Mythpunk*."
The problem being that *punk is as dead for movement-naming in writing as *core is in music.
I will proselytize as necessary, however ('bout time to write my Apocrypha review; I should finish it this afternoon. And here's the two word preview: "um... DAMN.").
2006-03-28 03:47 pm (UTC)
I dunno, I still think -punk is at least funny. I heard "monkpunk" last year and just about burst vessles laughing.
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2006-03-28 04:10 pm (UTC)
Re: hee
2006-03-28 04:16 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 04:14 pm (UTC)
Mythpunk?
2006-03-28 05:54 pm (UTC)
Dev, one of the current movers and shakers of Mythpunk and holder of the 'For Great Justice' website that pops up when you google the word, is a HRSFA (Harvard Radcliff Science Fiction Association) Alumnus, and occasional gamer buddy of mine.
I'm not sure he'd be willing to give up the term easily. He's also one of the 'Indie Movement' gamers, who have a tendency to be heavy on story and myth inclusiveness (what is often called narrativist style), so it might be easier to see if there could be an inclusiveness between the writing movement and the gaming category and work together on things.
Re: Mythpunk?
2006-03-28 08:11 pm (UTC)
We'll see how big a deal I want to make out of the term before I talk to Dev.
Re: Mythpunk?
2006-06-01 04:57 pm (UTC)
"Mythpunk" was little more than a name of a site, and I'm hardly a mover or shaker, but thanks for your kind words.
Re: Mythpunk?
2006-06-01 06:09 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 06:27 pm (UTC)
I think Mythpunk is an apt term, and although other *.punk terms might be dormant or "out of style" does not meant this one has to be. Why? Because its crop of practictioners is so far from dead, but is instead vibrant and producing in the here and now and being creatively alive.
2006-03-28 09:36 pm (UTC)
2006-03-28 09:36 pm (UTC)
And mythpunk, colour me funnied. :D
2006-03-29 04:21 am (UTC)
::offers virtual chocolate in celebration::
2006-03-29 04:23 am (UTC)
2006-03-29 03:56 pm (UTC)
However, I have to confess I love Ballet Folklorica. Maybe it was just all the swirly skirts that distracted me in an Ooooh Shiny moment.
*ahem* Mythpunk? Cool.
2006-03-29 07:32 pm (UTC)
So the next thing to do, thinketh me, is to come up with a Mythpunk Reading List, both consisting of Mythpunk writers and writings that influence Mythpunk writers.
Yes, I know it's a vast, ginormous list. But that's part of the fun of it!
2006-03-29 08:25 pm (UTC)
2006-03-29 08:44 pm (UTC)
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2006-06-01 04:55 pm (UTC)
I think the ideas are truly awesome, so I'd be very pleased to drop my own usage of "mythpunk". I think it's too cool an idea (and too catchy a phrase) for me to just use as a self-publishing imprint. (I was thinking of rebranding my stuff differently anyway...)
I do want to mention that a certain game designer, Jon Walton, has been doing some interesting experimental stuff in storygames that might be similar to a more "mythpunk" ideal. Do you think so?
http://thou-and-one.blogspot.com/2006/0
http://thou-and-one.blogspot.com/2006/0
2006-06-01 06:08 pm (UTC)
I think it's totally awesome that you're willing to drop the term, though probably unecessary. Let's just form up and call it all mythpunk. I'm going to propose a panel at next year's Wiscon on it, and hey, there's steampunk and cyberpunk gaming, so why not? It's just that there is a genuine new movement in fantasy, and somebody's got to call it something.
You should give some of the writers I mentioned a read--I /may/ actually be in talks with a gaming company about licensing some of my poetry, so my mythpunk might meet your mythpunk after all!
2006-06-02 03:41 am (UTC)
In any case, I'll definitely try out some of those authors you mentioned. Thanks for the suggestions!
Myth punk
(Anonymous)
2006-12-19 07:58 am (UTC)
I guess I see mythpunk as a distinctive subset of the wider catagory of Mythic Fiction and Mythic Arts. It's a useful term, to designate those of you working with myth in a less linear, more experimental, more stylistic and poetic way than, say, Neil Gaiman or Charles de Lint, the latter being more interested in storytelling than language and style.
Re: Myth punk
2006-12-19 06:20 pm (UTC)
2009-09-20 04:22 am (UTC)
But I do write stuff like that, though I'm less inclined towards experimental narratives than some. One of my stories was accepted by Magpie Magazine, and their tagline is "Celebrating the freak folk revolution in art, music, and writing." The same issue contained an article about Joanna Newsome, a musician who strikes me as *exactly* what you'd get if a faerie got trapped here and decided to become a recording artist. I like freak folk for what I write, some of which reads like Manly Wade Wellman on acid, but it's a term that has been around for a while and mostly associated with music. In any case, the connection suggests to me that it's more than just a literary phenomenon, and like steampunk is a kind of cultural Thing that reaches beyond one art form. I find that idea entrancing.